At Digital Broadcast Vendor News, we keenly follow digital television
broadcasters news coverage in times of crisis. We came across this
fascinating insight as to how television news in New Zealand reported
from the Lebanon recently.
The following interview was conducted by "Tumeke!", an amazing New
The revealing interview is with television journalist, Mike McRoberts
of the commercial television network, TV3 New Zealand based in
Auckland. The TV network is owned by Canada's Canwest Group of Winnipeg.
To guide you through this interview, [Digital Broadcast Vendor News]
has added brief television terms, as necessary as an explanation to
those not familiar with New Zealand TV. They are in stylised brackets
While TVNZ’s coverage [digital national TV broadcaster, Television
New Zealand] of the Lebanon war left much to be desired – much praise
was heaped on TV3’s Mike McRoberts coverage. Tumeke interviewed Mike
on the difficulties as a Journalist to cover a story like this,
professionally and personally.
The Q & A:
TUMEKE: Mike, your coverage of the recent Lebanon war for TV3 News
impressed many - how difficult was the situation in Lebanon while you
were there compared with other stories you have covered as a journalist?
MIKE: Hi Bomber [Tumeke's nickname], thank you for those comments.
The difficulties in covering the war in Lebanon were many and varied.
Firstly just getting there was a bit of a mission. Beirut's airport
was one of the first "infrastructure" targets to be attacked which
meant we had to travel through Syria to get into Lebanon, and Syria
is not the friendliest place in the world when it comes to foreign
Beirut was still coming under daily air strikes, although the
majority of those were in the Hezbollah controlled southern suburbs,
so moving around the city wasn't too bad. Travelling to Southern
Lebanon was a different story. What should have been an hour's drive
was closer to four hours as all of the main roads had suffered heavy
bombing. Also because of the threat of air strikes our time filming
and reporting on the ground there was limited, before we'd have to
turn around and make the journey back to Beirut. At that stage there
were no live [radio and TV] broadcasting points in Southern Lebanon.
Still we felt it important to get down and see what was happening for
ourselves. I guess the greatest difficulty in reporting conflict is
accuracy. When you can report what you have seen or interview actual
witnesses it makes all the difference. The other major difficulty is
balance; while all of my reporting was based in Lebanon, what TV3 did
differently this time was have me present all our Middle East
coverage as a package from Beirut, including the stories filed from
TUMEKE: Let's talk about the difficulties of balance [equal
broadcasting emphasis to both sides]. I noted some observers saying
that Israel was extremely good at spinning their side of the story
where as Hezbollah were ‘clumsy’ with western media. As a journalist,
how do you tell the story and how do you manage to cover a story with
such entrenched positions?
MIKE: Israel is very proactive with the media, I covered the Israeli
withdrawal of Israeli settlers from Gaza this time last year and I'm
still being spammed on a daily basis by various Jewish lobby groups.
As you correctly point out Hezbollah don't have that same
relationship with western media. That meant if you wanted their side
of the story, or even to put the most basic questions to them you had
to go looking for them, and that of course raised a number so safety
and security issues. One of the things I was most happy about our
coverage was that we did get to speak with representatives of
Hezbollah, twice through our own endeavours by working contacts and
persevering - and another time when we were detained by local
Hezbollah in the Bekka Valley.
Actually it was when we were held by them for an hour and a half that
I learnt the most about Hezbollah. While I never felt our lives were
in danger it wasn't great not having any control over the situation.
We were taken in a vehicle to a mechanic's garage where our car and
belongings were searched thoroughly. They also went through our
passports and were in phone communication with someone else. I was
concerned because all our cash - about 5 thousand dollars - was
inside my bag. When they handed it back the leader was insistent that
I check my bag and sure enough all the cash was still there. He
looked at me and said - we are not criminals.
The thing that stands out for me about Hezbollah was how quickly the
rest of the country supported them after the civilian killings in
Qana. That to me was a turning point in the war and probably the end
of any hopes Israel had of squashing Hezbollah.
TUMEKE: I watched you meet a Lebanese civilian who hugged you and
thanked you for providing the western media coverage that he hoped
would end the bombing. His house was battered and the remaining
houses on what was left of his street were also damaged. You could
see the legitimate fear in his face and the real anxiety he was going
through- how are you able to cover a story like this which was very
one sided in terms of loss of life and destruction of property and
not get angry
MIKE: Good question, of course you get angry - you are a human being
first and a journalist second. But as a journalist you have to check
yourself and scrutinize your work, otherwise it's too easy to become
a target and have your work discredited by those who oppose what
you're saying. I think it raises another issue that I've always
considered when it comes to reporting events like these.
People always talk about objectivity in reporting but how can you be
objective when you see destruction and civilian loss of life on the
scale we've just witnessed. I think it's more important to strive to
be fair in your reporting. I go back to Qana ...ok we've got the
pictures of dead women and children being pulled out of the bombed
basement of a three story residential home.
The Israeli Defence Force claimed that the home had been a base for
Hezbollah rockets and fighters - a claim I included in our [TV3 news
report] story ...but I also interviewed on the scene an investigator
for Human Rights Watch who said categorically that there was no
evidence of any military (Hezbollah) presence in what was left of the
home. It's worth pointing out that three days later after being
challenged by the Israeli newspaper Haaretz the IDF admitted there
wasn't any evidence to back their claim.
TUMEKE: As a journalist - where do you draw the line in terms of
personal safety to get the story? Did you ever fear for your life?
How does that stress effect your work and the working relationships
of your news team?
MIKE: You can't do the job without putting yourself at risk. But in
saying that you always try and minimise that risk. Information is
key, this usually means talking to lots of people like other
journalists or military and UN contacts. You gather as much
intelligence about a situation as you can and use that information to
determine whether you go to a certain area or take a particular road.
There is something to be said for safety in numbers. When we set up
our first meeting with Hezbollah at their stronghold in Southern
Beirut, we did so with the BBC and CBC from Canada.
Of course we also travel with flak jackets and helmets, although I
wonder sometimes about how effective they really are. They did prove
handy in Southern Lebanon as a kind of uniform. Local residents and
Hezbollah recognised the navy blue jackets as being media.
The worst fear I've ever felt was covering the Iraq elections last
year. I guess because there are so many things that can go wrong,
from kidnappings to road side bombs and it all seems so random. On
that occasion every time we travelled the roads we did so "low key"
or undercover with armed Iraqi guards. At the time I remember
thinking that the Iraq elections were the most covered and yet not
covered elections the world had ever seen. There were areas as a
journalist you would just not go to.
Danger does make for a stressful working environment. You need to
completely trust the people you are working with, often you are
watching out for each other. You also need to be totally confident in
their abilities - there's no going back for a "take 2".
I have a great [television] cameraman by the name of "Dutchie" who
has been with me through the Afghanistan conflict, Iraq, Gaza, the
Solomon Islands and now Lebanon. You may remember some [television]
footage which has featured prominently on TV3 over the years of me
stuck in a riot in the Afghanistan/ Pakistan border town of Peshawar
in 2001. As the Pakistani military start firing from behind me I
crouch and turn and get the hell out of there. What people often
overlook is that the shot (the camera shot) never moves ....that's
In Lebanon I also had an excellent [TV]producer. Jon Stephenson is a
freelance journalist and probably this country's foremost foreign
affairs reporter. Jon and I have worked together now in Iraq, Gaza
and Lebanon. Having a second journalist on the ground with you,
particularly as experienced as Jon, is a huge asset and really adds
to the story telling and coverage.
All of us now have some experience of reporting in areas of conflict
and that certainly helps, I think it's very much a case of "the more
you do it the better you get".
TUMEKE: Hezbollah were demonized by some sectors of the media. You
meet Hezbollah fighters and you must have heard the long standing
complaints of the Lebanese people – how is it that we in the West
have so little understanding for the motivations of Hezbollah? Few in
the West would have even heard of the Shebaa Farms dispute or even be
aware of the thousands of Palestinian and Lebanese prisoners held by
Israel, many for little reason other than being Muslim males. How
much of this ignorance should be shouldered by the mainstream media?
MIKE: Without a doubt some of that "ignorance" should be shouldered
by mainstream media, but I think the viewing public also have a role
here. Having an understanding or even an appreciation of what a
conflict is all about can only come from sustained coverage of that
situation. Why does it take a war for that to happen? But that
situation is not the sole domain of foreign stories - look at what
happened with the funeral of the Maori Queen recently. How many
people knew what the Kingitanga movement was about until mainstream
media covered her tangi?
I was talking to a group of student journalists recently, many of
whom were interested in foreign affairs and foreign correspondent
work. I had to tell them that if they were planning on working for
mainstream media in New Zealand there was virtually no chance of them
becoming foreign correspondents. It costs a lot of money to cover
foreign affairs and editors and executive producers will tell you the
expense outweighs the public interest.
I always tell any groups that I speak to now that if they like the
stuff they see me or another reporter doing overseas then ring and
tell TV3News. That sort of direct public feedback really helps.
One of the most satisfying things for me during the war in Lebanon is
that our [TV3] coverage directly translated into stronger viewer
numbers [TV audience]. People tuned in to see what was going on.
That's the first time that I can remember that we've had a noticeable
increase in ratings like that - and I'm happy to say it will also
make it that much easier to get a "green light" next time something
The other avenue for information of course is independent
documentaries which are becoming a real option for journalists who
want to tell a story but who can't get mainstream media interested.
TUMEKE: What was your response to the UN announcement of Israel using
cluster bombs purposely at the end of the conflict on civilian areas
– do actions like that simply deepen the resentment of the Lebanese
people, does it only serve to recruit for Hezbollah?
MIKE: Yes I think so. I was hoping to do a 60 Minutes story on the
cluster bombs but we got side tracked and ended up covering Olaf
Wiig's release from kidnappers in Gaza instead. A contact I have in
the United Nations based in Southern Lebanon told me the use of
cluster bombs so close to the end of the conflict and in residential
areas was "criminal", and when I was in Israel a week ago the very
questions you're asking were being put to the IDF.
The same UN contact told me 14 civilians had been killed by the
cluster bombs and dozens more injured. They have located more than
300 cluster bomb sites and he said "we've only scratched the surface".
I guess to balance that you would say Hezbollah too is guilty of war
crimes. During the war they packed many of their rockets with ball
bearings with the intention of injuring or killing as many people as
possible. The difference of course is that a month later when you
stand on a ball bearing it doesn't blow your leg off.
TUMEKE: Final question Mike, President Bush links the war on
Terrorism with the conflict in Lebanon – did the Hezbollah you
encountered appear nationalist fighters or internationalist
Jihadists? And what was your response to Seymore Hershe’s claim in
the New Yorker that there was premeditation for a military over
reaction by Israel planned months before?
MIKE: I think President George W Bush would link his country's
domestic health care issues to The War on Terror if he thought he
could get away with it. Does anyone take anything he says seriously
anymore? He seems to have conveniently forgotten that Hezbollah or
the resistance was created as a direct result of Israel invading
Lebanon in 1982.
I know that in 2002 the Washington Post [newspaper] ran an article
claiming that Hezbollah and al Qaeda were increasingly forging links
and sharing in explosives training and weapons smuggling among other
things. This had come from a former US soldier who pleaded guilty to
conspiring to bomb the US embassies in Africa. But this link has
always been denied by Hezbollah. That theory also overlooks the
obvious - that Hezbollah are Shiite and al Qaeda Sunni.
I think both the US and Israel have strong motives for putting the
two groups together, it also means of course that Syria and Iran get
dragged into the same equation. Which is another point Semour Hershe
was making in the same article in the New Yorker.
There was certainly plenty of talk about the war having been
premiditated, or at least Israel's military response to the
kidnapping of two of their soldiers. But there hasn't been any hard
Originally published in the New Zealand blog, "Tumeke!" whose author
is currently in trouble with the New Zealand authorities for being
Note: TV3 as a national terrestrial television network covers both
islands that make up New Zealand.
TV3's Mike McRoberts is a well respected New Zealand TV correspondent.
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balanced truth in TV news broadcasts, especially from the Middle East.
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